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layout: post
title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2018-05-12
summary: Community highlights, Forum Funding System updates, Localization workgroup Q&A, open ideas, and miscellaneous
tags: [community, crypto]
author: el00ruobuob / SamsungGalaxyPlayer
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# Logs
**\<sgp\_>** Meeting time :)
**\<sgp\_>** 0. Introduction
**\<sgp\_>** We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Meeting!
**\<sgp\_>** Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/221
**\<sgp\_>** Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
**\<sgp\_>** 1. Greetings
**\<ArticMine>** Hi
**\<rehrar>** What up?
**\<ErCiccione>** Buonasera
**\<xmrscott[m]>** Hey hey hey
**\<sgp\_>** Welcome all
**\<sgp\_>** 2. Community highlights
**\<sgp\_>** Watch the Coffee Chat from last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-CXKJetI-o
**\<monerobux>** [ Monero Coffee Chat - 2018.05.05 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
**\<sgp\_>** A Vienna Italian restaurant accepts Monero: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8flevq/my\_family\_runs\_an\_authentic\_italian\_restaurant\_in/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] My family runs an authentic Italian restaurant in Vienna, Austria . After talking about it and explaining them what monero is and why it is better than other crypto coins we decided to accept monero payments starting next week! (https://i.redd.it/c6g3aj35rou01.jpg) to r/Monero | 682 points (95.0%) | 110 comments | Posted by Katsura9000 | Created at 2018-04-28 - 17:37:18
**\<sgp\_>** NordVPN now accepts Monero payments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8gr8lf/nordvpn\_now\_accepting\_xmr\_payments/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] NordVPN Now Accepting XMR payments (self.Monero) | 370 points (98.0%) | 58 comments | Posted by thegreenbonsai | Created at 2018-05-03 - 15:31:39
**\<sgp\_>** Circle added Monero: https://blog.circle.com/2018/05/07/circle-invest-welcomes-monero/
**\<sgp\_>** M5M400, the admin of supportXMR, sponsored the race car driver Niklas Makschin. He will include the Monero logo prominently on his car: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8gqsd7/i\_really\_liked\_fluffys\_yacht\_sail\_sponsoring\_but/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] I really liked fluffy's yacht sail sponsoring, but I am more into racecars... (self.Monero) | 68 points (93.0%) | 28 comments | Posted by M5M400 | Created at 2018-05-03 - 14:30:43
**\<sgp\_>** I introduced a GitHub issue to deprecate standalone payment IDs: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/3772
**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone else have community updates to share?
**\<ErCiccione>** GUI frozen and being translated. Soon out
**\<rehrar>** point release soon then?
**\<ErCiccione>** as soon as we finish the translations
**\<xmrscott[m]>** Within the next week I believe is the target
**\<sgp\_>** ping endogenic, respond if you have MyMonero updates
**\<xmrscott[m]>** I know at least 6 or so languages have been updated within the first 24 hours or so of the freeze
**\<rafficer>** I will finish another one today, and then contacting reviewers
**\<\_Slack> \<serhack>** Hi :)
**\<rafficer>** Will see when I will create the PR. Is there some date I should create the PR before?
**\<ErCiccione>** yep, i will talk about it during the localization q&a point
**\<rehrar>** I, rehrar the meek, have an update
**\<sgp\_>** go ahread rehrar :)
**\<ErCiccione>** rafficer: before end of next week, but let's talk about this later :)
**\<rehrar>** fund the bulletproofs: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90007/bulletproofs-audit-fundraising
**\<rehrar>** explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8ix9u8/bulletproof\_audit\_needs\_some\_more\_funding\_details/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Bulletproof audit needs some more funding. Details in the comments. (https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90007/bulletproofs-audit-fundraising) to r/Monero | 4 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by Rehrar | Created at 2018-05-12 - 16:51:07
**\<rafficer>** If the goal wouldn't be met, which auditors will still be able to audit the code?
**\<rehrar>** funding bulletproofs is honestly the biggest thing in Monero right now
**\<rehrar>** which leads me to a little thing to be talked about later in the meeting
**\<rehrar>** it's time to kick the community workgroup into gear. Not just hosting meetings every week, but working on community engagement
**\<rehrar>** especially in regards to the FFS, but that can be done later
**\<rehrar>** (later this meeting)
**\<sgp\_>** Shall we move on to the FFS section?
**\<sgp\_>** 3. FFS updates
**\<sgp\_>** The Kastelo hardware wallet moved to funding required, and it is sitting at about 20% funded: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90126/advancing-monero-hardware-wallet
**\<sgp\_>** SerHack can't be present in this meeting but he really will appreciate if the community could give some feedbacks about Mastering Monero draft on Github. (https://github.com/monerobook/monerobook/pulls). Let's improve this community again!
**\<sgp\_>** rehrar mentioned that the bulletproof audits need more funding
**\<sgp\_>** xmrhaelan announced their intent to work on Monero public relations. You can see community discussion in several threads including this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8hcq7u/monero\_public\_relations\_plan/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] MONERO PUBLIC RELATIONS PLAN (self.Monero) | 144 points (94.0%) | 59 comments | Posted by xmrhaelan | Created at 2018-05-06 - 03:51:26
**\<sgp\_>** They have already started work on Taiga: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/xmrhaelan-monero-public-relations/
**\<sgp\_>** Since this is a large and relevant proposal, I would like to open discussion here regarding this public relations proposal.
**\<vp11>** can we oficially change the name from Public Release to Education & Overeach or something like that?
**\<sgp\_>** I am in favor of the tasks they have laid out. Making a press kit, and easier point of communication for press, and overall refining Monero's message
**\<rehrar>** (sorry to interject, taiga will be down for thirty minutes starting in fifteen minutes. pigeons and I will be working on it
**\<rehrar>** )
**\<rehrar>** back to the matter at hand, public relations is fine imo.
**\<rehrar>** It really doesn't matter what it's called. I understand to get community buy in it does, but it shouldn't... >\_\_>
**\<ArticMine>** Education and Outreach is a possible suggestion
**\<ErCiccione>** i like "eductaion and Outreach" more than PR. Words matter, especially regarding this matter
**\<vp11>** yeah, outreach, sorry.
**\<sgp\_>** I agree that "Education and Outreach" is likely to receive better feedback without changing the mission
**\<sgp\_>** Hell, even the Euro needed a "communication strategy". Here's an example for Slovenia: https://bankaslovenije.blob.core.windows.net/publication-files/gdgetGfgsfdggo\_communication\_strategy.pdf
**\<sgp\_>** Well, if there's no further discussion on this, we can move on
**\<vp11>** I don't think it's a bad idea, even more if the community participate
**\<vp11>** a lot of people fear that pr equals "marketing" and quickly jump the gun thinking that Monero will become Dash 2.0
**\<sgp\_>** I'll stay in communication with xmrhaelan to get the most out of their ideas
**\<vp11>** community involvement is key
**\<ArticMine>** Yes I agree
**\<sgp\_>** Yeah, we don't need to make "Dash... Dash... Dash..." videos. But many things are beneficial without being shilly or cringeworthy
**\<rehrar>** but for real, we need a music video
**\<vp11>** I see no bad in having useful resources and materials about monero easily accessible to interested people.
**\<sgp\_>** We also ened to encourage people to be more active
**\<sgp\_>** I've started a Monero Meetup in Minneapolis, and we should find easy ways for people to be motivated to do this, and give them the necessary materials to get started
**\<ArticMine>** There is a great need for information that supports the use of Monero. There is no need for hiring a hooker to stand by a booth in a show
**\<ArticMine>** That is the Monero vs Dash difference here
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** I'll read through mastering monero again and give feed back
**\<rehrar>** #themonerodifference
**\<sgp\_>** a. Localization workgroup Q&A
**\<sgp\_>** Take it away, ErCiccione!
**\<ErCiccione>** ook
**\<ErCiccione>** so, as said, the GUI is frozen and we are busy translating it, you can find the related issue on github here:
**\<ErCiccione>** https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/1377
**\<ErCiccione>** 10 languages have already been PRd many other are being worked on as we speak, and some are still in need of translators
**\<ErCiccione>** now that my PR with the updates to the language files have been merged, i will write a guide on reddit with some instructions for non techy people
**\<cryptochange>** Translate all the things!
**\<ErCiccione>** that will hopefully give us the translator for the missing languages
**\<ErCiccione>** so, yes, that's basically the big update that is taking all my time these days :P
**\<\_Slack> \<ordtrogen>** You can check off Swedish. I just PR's before the meeting
**\<\_Slack> \<ordtrogen>** PR'd
**\<rehrar>** on the same topic, I'm working on remaking the website translation scheme as requested. The most soul sucking work I've done in a while. :P
**\<vp11>** rehrar, it's for the greater good :)
**\<ErCiccione>** @ordtrogen: that PR is totally broken i don't feel like cheking it off at the moment (i commented on github)
**\<sgp\_>** Great ErCiccione! Does anyone else have any questions?
**\<ErCiccione>** thanks for that rehrar :)
**\<cryptochange>** Speaking of broken PRs translators need to rebase their already submit PRs
**\<rehrar>** is it though vp11? Not sure. We'll see.
**\<vp11>** cryptochange, don't talk to me about it. my pr borked hard. I'm gonna fix it later today.
**\<ErCiccione>** cryptochange: yes, true, but that's not too much a big deal at the moment
**\<ErCiccione>** thanks vp11, i got some other PR and messages right after testing yours and din't have time to check what happened
**\<cryptochange>** vp11: I royally effed up a different PR trying to rebase. Don't worry lol
**\<rehrar>** alright you cutie translators
**\<sgp\_>** Any other FFS updates?
**\<rehrar>** I have something regarding FFS to run by everyone
**\<rehrar>** in particular ArticMine, the core team rep here
**\<rehrar>** if you go to the 'Funding Required' you'll see the tracking challenge still there
**\<rehrar>** to my knowledge, none of the issues with the challenge have been resolved (trust)
**\<rehrar>** and it doesn't look like they will be
**\<rehrar>** there's a lot of XMR sitting there
**\<rehrar>** what would it look like to put that XMR toward the hardware wallet?
**\<vp11>** it's not a bad idea, but... why not bulletproofs? or any other project? it would be hard to get everyone in board to donate to the same project, unless it goes directly to the dev fund.
**\<cryptochange>** I think it should either go to the hackerone bounty or the hardware wallet
**\<rehrar>** vp11: the reason is actually quite simple
**\<rehrar>** people have much more incentive to donate to bulletproofs
**\<rehrar>** not as much to hardware
**\<rehrar>** just trying to maximize the amount of XMR that can be donated
**\<vp11>** onboard* (geez I'm bad today at English)
**\<vp11>** rehrar, I agree with you, I was just playing devil's advocate.
**\<rehrar>** binaryFate fluffypony
**\<ArticMine>** Yes but there is a very strong case for the core team to take the lead from the community on something like a hardware wallet
**\<rehrar>** smooth too
**\<ArticMine>** I do recognize it is a very delicate issue
**\<rehrar>** ArticMine, ok, so if I could drum up some consensus within the community, core team could apply the money there?
**\<rehrar>** I'd just hate to see that XMR sit there indefinitely when there are other good projects that could get started on their stuff ASAP
**\<ArticMine>** True but the best indication is where the community sends the money
**\<rehrar>** heck, elr00noob or however you spell his name is asking for freaking 6 XMR!!!
**\<cryptochange>** I think most people would agree the XMR should get moved and not left to rot in a failed FFS
**\<rehrar>** and he's been more active than all of us scrubs
**\<TheoStorm>** on the HW wallet, I really like the project, but I think the model that Trezor used was better: just do pre orders
**\<TheoStorm>** at a premium price
**\<TheoStorm>** so let's say ask 300 USD for a device or so
**\<ArticMine>** That is fair. It should be moved from a failed FFS
**\<rehrar>** TheoStorm, the deliverable is not a hardware wallet. It's a spec. The Monero Project doesn't want to be responsible for shipping and fulfillment. Trezor is a business so they do. ;)
**\<TheoStorm>** hmm k, missed that
**\<rehrar>** but you're not wrong
**\<rehrar>** that's a way to get it done faster
**\<rehrar>** decentralization is always less efficient
**\<rehrar>** always
**\<rehrar>** stupid ideals....
**\<rehrar>** either way, something pretty important to consider. I'll make a post or something later regarding this.
**\<sgp\_>** All right, any other FFS discussion?
**\<ErCiccione>** in any case, i think we need a large consensus if we want to move those funds, so yes. a reddit post will be a good idea to make people know
**\<sgp\_>** +1 for Reddit post
**\<ErCiccione>** sgp\_ i want to say something quick about the guide for the GUI, but it's not a FFS
**\<sgp\_>** Though introducing it in a meeting is the most "formal" way to do it. Should we schedule it during next meeting?
**\<ErCiccione>** I think we should schedule a "what to do with failed FFS" point
**\<sgp\_>** And we can raise awareness of the discussion on Reddit too
**\<ArticMine>** Yes that is a good approach
**\<sgp\_>** All right, consider it scheduled
**\<sgp\_>** ArticMine can you speak with the other Core Team mebers and let them know we plan to have the discussion next meeting?
**\<rehrar>** we can aim to make a decision at the meeting
**\<rehrar>** and let people know about the meeting to make a decision
**\<rehrar>** please come if you want to have a voice
**\<ArticMine>** Sure I'll let the know
**\<ArticMine>** then
**\<sgp\_>** Great. Go ahead with the GUI guide, ErCiccione
**\<ErCiccione>** ok, i'll be very quick. thanks sgp
**\<ErCiccione>** At the moment i'm the only one taking care of the guide, there are some issue that i really want to fix before the release (hopefully end of next week)
**\<ErCiccione>** but the bad thing is that a day is only 24 hours long and i need to sleep sometimes
**\<ErCiccione>** if somebody could give a hand would be extremely appreciated
**\<ErCiccione>** especially with this issue
**\<ErCiccione>** https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/issues/20
**\<ErCiccione>** since i don't know much about ringdb
**\<ErCiccione>** also,
**\<sgp\_>** I can take responsibility for the ringdb screen
**\<ErCiccione>** i would really appreciate reviews, since as you can imagine, translations are taking a lot of time
**\<ErCiccione>** thanks a lot sgp\_
**\<ErCiccione>** that's it
**\<sgp\_>** All right, thanks ErCiccione
**\<sgp\_>** 4. Open ideas time
**\<sgp\_>** It’s open ideas time! Feel free to propose your ideas to this discussion group, and feel free to comment on others’ ideas. If you disagree with the idea, please reply with constructive criticism. Thank you!
**\<rehrar>** Taiga back online. Updated and maintained.
**\<vp11>** So
**\<sgp\_>** If everyone else is too shy, I have an idea. I'm really missing the Monero Observer and Monero Monitor. Hopefully we can get these back :/
**\<vp11>** I wanted to at least start thinking again about #monero-support and other support channels
**\<sgp\_>** ooh good topic vp11
**\<vp11>** bearretinjapan and I had a discussion here a few days ago I think
**\<vp11>** I believe we may have reached the point where dedicated support channels might make sense if they're correctly enforced (and promoted)
**\<sgp\_>** For support, we currently use r/MoneroSupport, r/Monero, and StackExchange. I agree we should get support off r/Monero and onto r/MoneroSupport. Does anyone use #monero-support? I haven't been on in a while
**\<vp11>** we're seeing again and again the same questions repeated multiple times during weeks on reddit
**\<vp11>** so even if we have multiple channels and people don't use it, then we might be doing something wrong
**\<vp11>** I proposed a "Help" section directly in the GUI, possibly with the answer for common questions and links to the stack exchange answers / other channels
**\<vp11>** just brainstorming
**\<cryptochangement>** I would love to see r/monero-support be used more
**\<rehrar>** the GUI should never point to anything external imo
**\<rehrar>** all help should be self contained within the app
**\<vp11>** I just want people to think a little about it, about how we can make it easier for monero users to find the answers they're looking for without having to ask them over and over on reddit
**\<cryptochangement>** the problem is that the people that *do* use the support end up not getting a response and then just ask in the main channel
**\<vp11>** rehrar, if that's the case, then just find a way to insert a FAQ there. maybe even a literal copy/paste of the stack exchange answers.
**\<sgp\_>** Yeah, we need more people who are willing to help in r/MoneroSupport
**\<rehrar>** correct cryptochangement
**\<rehrar>** we need volunteers, consistent ones, to man those stations
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** I didn't even know there was an r/MoneroSupport
**\<vp11>** cryptochangement, that's why I also said "to enforce it". it's both ways, people who want to help might go there but then we need to make sure moderators on r/Monero will be forwarding questions there
**\<vp11>** until people learn and that becomes the default
**\<rehrar>** pero (may he rest in peace) gave me the place sabin.smith
**\<cryptochangement>** I just don't want people asking for help to get sent over there forcefully and then get no help because only people that need help go there
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** We need it on the sidebar
**\<rehrar>** force the lepers to be with the lepers
**\<cryptochangement>** pretty much
**\<vp11>** cryptochangement, it's not so hard I guess to create a support workgroup
**\<vp11>** it's always the same 6-8 people helping
**\<sgp\_>** We need several call-to-actions. "Want to help Monero but don't know how to code? Help in r/MoneroSupport!"
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** I'll start rembering when I see posts to direct people there.
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** subscribed
**\<rehrar>** ok, and that's something that I wanted to discuss
**\<cryptochangement>** sgp\_: that could work
**\<rehrar>** we need reddit flairs
**\<vp11>** let's organize ourselves to go there and get some support from r/Monero to forward people there
**\<rehrar>** and t shirt prizes to volunteers
**\<rehrar>** we need to reward people who go above and beyond for the project
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** good idea
**\<sgp\_>** Even better: webcam covers :p
**\<rehrar>** stickers, shirts, webcam covers :P
**\<rehrar>** this is a big deal to some people
**\<rehrar>** and we're likely to see more buy in if there was something like that
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** stickers would be sufficient
**\<rehrar>** 'Verified Helper' flair on the regular subreddit would be incentive
**\<rehrar>** 'Support guru'
**\<vp11>** one t-shirt per month, that's 12 t-shirts per year, pretty sure we can even FFS that
**\<rehrar>** stuff like that
**\<rehrar>** heck dude, I'd cover the one t shirt a month
**\<vp11>** rehrar you're the mod there on r/MoneroSupport?
**\<rehrar>** pero gave it to me, yeah
**\<vp11>** let's make it happen brah
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** Directing people to stackexchange just adds to confusion
**\<rehrar>** stackexchange is not normie friendly enough imo
**\<vp11>** exactly
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** yeah
**\<rehrar>** stackexchange is generally for specialized people
**\<bearretinjapan>** vp11, yeah, that's pretty much what we agreed on, Monero needs more concentrated support, lik a renewed effort to keep SE active, more documentatyion in the GUI (and in different languages) and ant other places newbies might end up.
**\<sgp\_>** I added that after I felt bad no one was answering the questions
**\<rehrar>** as we move closer and closer to mass adoption, we need everything that currently exists that's good for techy people as an equivalent to a normie one
**\<bearretinjapan>** Google probably doesn't cut it, so people are going to the next likely concentration of users, which is /r/monero but I can already see user patience is flagging there (which is probably a good thing) but there needs to be a fallback.
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** it would be nice if the gui had a preset of nodes that could be selected by geographical region but I know they get overwhelmed
**\<bearretinjapan>** the sticky threads are a decent stopgap, but people really need to be forced there, even with the stickys, I'm still seeing a new thread every hour of a support/question nature.
**\<\_Slack> \<sabin.smith>** people don't like to read more than two or three sentences
**\<vp11>** so, let's do baby steps. maybe getting r/MoneroSupport alive, trying to forward people there. I think we can brainstorm during the next two weeks on how we could give direct, quick help to common issues in the GUI itself.
**\<moneromooo>** No, it would not be nice. It would provide another push for people to do the wrong thing.
**\<moneromooo>** Unless it's only used with stoffu's proxying code.
**\<rehrar>** who wants to be made a mod on the support place?
**\<sgp\_>** vp11 yeah, start by 1) direct people to r/MoneroSupport, 2) encouraging participation in r/MoneroSupport and StackExchange, and 3) incentivizing support somehow, even if it's a flar on r/Monero and r/MoneroSupport
**\<bearretinjapan>** I really only see SE as being the right kind of environment for genuine support, but the sub needs to be blatantly obvious and unfortunately forceful about directing users there.
**\<vp11>** let me be a mod so I can create flairs and label everyone as I like, pls :(
**\<vp11>** jokes apart I can totally help on the support part, I learn a lot by helping people
**\<cryptochange>** I can be a mod
**\<bearretinjapan>** I tried the support thing for SE, but eventually people just stopped posting there, so I stopped answering questions. :/
**\<cryptochange>** Or I'll just go over there as a non mod
**\<bearretinjapan>** the reddit subs are just too transient IMO.
**\<rehrar>** PM me your reddit usernames
**\<rehrar>** cryptochange and vp11
**\<vp11>** done
**\<cryptochangement>** done
**\<sgp\_>** All right. Any last thoughts before we conclude the meeting?
**\<vp11>** #USEXMR
**\<sgp\_>** 5. Confirm next meeting date/time
**\<sgp\_>** The next community meeting will be two weeks from today on 26 May.
**\<sgp\_>** 6. Conclusion
**\<sgp\_>** That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on /r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. A big thanks to ErCiccione for running the previous community meeting in my absense. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.
**\<rehrar>** kthanksbai

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layout: post
title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2018-06-09
summary: Community workgroup and meeting purpose, Community highlights, Forum Funding System updates, New community meeting/event calendar, Localization workgroup report, PR, O&E workgroup report, Malware response workgroup report, Meeting date/time discussion, open ideas, and miscellaneous
tags: [community, crypto]
author: el00ruobuob / SamsungGalaxyPlayer
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# Logs
**\<sgp\_>** Comminity meeting will start at 17:02 UTC if people need to grab water, use the restroom, etc
**\<sgp\_>** All right, community meeting time!
**\<sgp\_>** 0. Introduction
**\<sgp\_>** We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Meeting!
**\<sgp\_>** Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/241
**\<sgp\_>** Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
**\<sgp\_>** 1. Greetings
**\<cryptochangement>** hey everyone
**\<oneiric\_>** hi
**\<xmrscott>** Hola
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** hi
**\<sgp\_>** welcome all
**\<sgp\_>** 2. Community workgroup meeting purpose
**\<sgp\_>** Since we first began the Monero Marketing Workgroup, and eventually the Monero Community Workgroup, the community has evolved. New workgroups began and flourished. Workgroups now perform some of the most important Monero-related development, activism, support, and research.
**\<sgp\_>** The Monero Community Workgroup therefore will continue to support these other workgroups in the full capacity possible. It will maintain lines of communication with these workgroups, make sure they understand the general community guidelines, offer advice whenever possible, and provide a platform to easily connect to the rest of the Monero Community.
**\<sgp\_>** You should expect slight changes in the meeting structure to better support these workgroups. The Community Workgroup already provided a line of communication for many of these workgroups to check in with the community at regular intervals.
**\<sgp\_>** As always, workgroups are invited to our regular Community Meetings and Coffee Chats. Workgroups have access to Taiga and Mattermost services (provided by the Core Team). If you have any service, event, or anything else that you feel this workgroup should provide to other workgroups, please mention it during open ideas time or on r/MoneroCommunity.
**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone have questions on the purpose of the Monero Community Workgroup?
**\<cryptochangement>** no questions here :p
**\<sgp\_>** 3. Community highlights
**\<sgp\_>** Monero v0.12.2 was released, bringing full Ledger support and a number of other changes.
**\<sgp\_>** Watch the Coffee Chat from last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-bbuXJIUSo
**\<monerobux>** [ Monero Coffee Chat - 2018.06.02 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
**\<sgp\_>** Watch Niklas Makschin race with the Monero logo on his car at the German Clio Cup! Thanks to M5M400 fo making this happen: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8pn26m/watch\_niklas\_makschin\_66\_at\_the\_german\_clio\_cup/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Watch Niklas Makschin 66 at the German Clio Cup on Red Bull ring this weekend. Streamed live on renault-sport.de (or later on youtube) (https://imgur.com/6U3ah2X) to r/Monero | 95 points (91.0%) | 5 comments | Posted by M5M400 | Created at 2018-06-08 - 20:00:44
**\<sgp\_>** Monero is expected to be listed on the Trezor Model T soon: https://trezor.io/coins/
**\<sgp\_>** Monero pairs were added to Huobi: https://www.huobi.pro/notice\_detail/?id=1765
**\<sgp\_>** MyCrypto launched MoneroVision, a new Monero block explorer: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8nl2rp/introducing\_monerovisioncom\_a\_mycrypto\_project/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Introducing MoneroVision.com (a MyCrypto project) (self.Monero) | 136 points (97.0%) | 23 comments | Posted by dternyak | Created at 2018-05-31 - 19:01:22
**\<sgp\_>** u/Commancer re-appropriated NSA propaganda posters, and they look awesome. Here is my personal favorite: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8p1nji/privacy\_means\_this\_and\_more\_nsa\_propaganda/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Privacy Means This and More (NSA Propaganda Re-appropriated, 3/??) (https://i.redd.it/6gzjjwzgie211.png) to r/Monero | 85 points (96.0%) | 4 comments | Posted by Commancer | Created at 2018-06-06 - 15:43:33
**\<serhack>** Hi
**\<sgp\_>** Equim-chan made an open-source vanity address generator: https://github.com/Equim-chan/vanity-monero
**\<sgp\_>** Endogenic released RC5 for MyMonero desktop apps: https://github.com/mymonero/mymonero-app-js/releases/tag/v1.0.0-rc5
**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone else have community updates to share?
**\<cryptochangement>** Monero-Integrations has finally completely gotten rid of standalone payment IDs following Alex\_localmonero's proposal to doso
**\<sgp\_>** 4. FFS updates
**\<sgp\_>** Congrats cryptochangements!
**\<msvb-lab>** Congratulations.
**\<oneiric\_>** congrats!
**\<sgp\_>** There are several Forum Funding System (FFS) updates. Workgroup reports now have their own section.
**\<sgp\_>** moneromooo has a new FFS for July-September: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90280/more-mooo-monero-coding-july-september
**\<sgp\_>** m2049r (or Monerujo) has a new FFS for June-August: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90272/m2049r-part-time-june-august
**\<sgp\_>** ErCiccione has a new FFS for July-September: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90271/coordinator-of-the-localization-workgroup-3-more-months-erciccione
**\<sgp\_>** Surae has a new FFS for June-August: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90264/continue-funding-surae-for-another-quarter-june-july-aug
**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone else have a FFS update, or would like to discuss any of these?
**\<endogenic>** mymonero android is being written
**\<endogenic>** contributors welcome
**\<endogenic>** come talk to me in #mymonero
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** sgp\_, oneiric\_ has an ffs open
**\<msvb-lab>** endogenic: Care to give a three line explanation of the advantage or disadvantage leading to Monerujo and Mymonero occupying the same platform?
**\<sgp\_>** endogenic that's meant for the "workgroup report" now :)
**\<ErCiccione>** hello everybody (sorry, a bit late)
**\<endogenic>** msvb-lab: not sure what you mean. totally different apps
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal have the link handy, or should I grab it?
**\<endogenic>** we never done an ffs or anything
**\<msvb-lab>** endogenic: Okay, never mind. I thought there were similarities.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/90300/oneiric-june-august-part-time-kovri-junior-developer
**\<sgp\_>** thanks anonimal
**\<rottensalty07>** sgp\_: Yes - I'll provide a laptop. Sorry for my absence. Got caught up with something else.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** np
**\<msvb-lab>** m2049r[m]
**\<sgp\_>** Any other FFS discussion? Let's fund all the things!
**\<sgp\_>** 5. New community meeting/event calendar
**\<ErCiccione>** if somebody have questions about localizations. here to answer
**\<m2049r[m]>** Here!
**\<oneiric\_>** thanks anonimal :)
**\<sgp\_>** I previously shared a link from my personal calendar to community events. I will be maintaining a new calendar on NextCloud which I will use for all events going forward. You can subscribe and add it to your personal calendar: https://xmr.ncrypt.sh/index.php/apps/calendar/p/8dP6z6XQDnkPREo4/Monero-Meetings
**\<sgp\_>** (that's all on this item)
**\<sgp\_>** I'll make a post about it later. If you represent a workgroup and want your events listed, let me know
**\<sgp\_>** 6. Workgroup report
**\<sgp\_>** This is a new separate section where other workgroups can report on all that they are working on. If you would like for your workgroup to be represented, please contact me at least a few hours before the meeting.
**\<sgp\_>** a. Localization workgroup
**\<sgp\_>** ErCiccione, you're up :)
**\<ErCiccione>** really not much to say about localizations in these two weeks, but kovri website is being slightly refactored and we need contributors who wish to help to translate that
**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone have any questions for ErCiccione?
**\<ErCiccione>** oh yea, don't remember if i said this already in the past meeting, but we updated almost all languages of the GUI except 8
**\<cryptochangement>** nice
**\<ErCiccione>** i recently posted a thread on reddit asking contributors able to translate monerujo and kovri
**\<ErCiccione>** https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8o7py0/monero\_translations\_there\_is\_work\_to\_do\_and\_you/
**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Monero Translations - There is work to do and you can help! (Kovri and Monerujo) (self.Monero) | 42 points (92.0%) | 10 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2018-06-03 - 10:30:27
**\<ErCiccione>** if somevody wish to help please contact me.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** erciccione is the biggest issue now not having enough translators?
**\<msvb-lab>** Of which language in particular are there not enough translators?
**\<ErCiccione>** anonimal: it's usually not. i mean. the GUI got 6 translations in the first 48 hours
**\<rottensalty07>** I can do Spanish if there's no help for Spanish.
**\<cryptochangement>** There are loads of translators, just not for every language
**\<ErCiccione>** but it's hard to find contributors for some languages
**\<rottensalty07>** Such as?
**\<ErCiccione>** like arabic and hindi
**\<ErCiccione>** luckily we have some community who are big enough to provide high quality translations
**\<ErCiccione>** like chinese, russian and german (the first that came in my mind)
**\<m2049r[m]>** Wonder how monerujo will deal with right to left anguages!
**\<ErCiccione>** rottensalty07: that would be very appreciated, somebody is working on the spanish translation of monero-site as we speak. but we need somebody for getkovri.org
**\<ErCiccione>** if you can help with that would be great
**\<endogenic>** m2049r[m]: platform support
**\<ErCiccione>** join #monero-translations , we can chat there
**\<ErCiccione>** m2049r: i don't think that will be a issue with pootle.
**\<m2049r[m]>** Yes i tried to cater for it but never tried it out
**\<rottensalty07>** ErCiccione: I can help, absolutely.
**\<rottensalty07>** And if it's for Kovri and anonimal, even more so.
**\<endogenic>** anybody want to help translate mymonero?
**\<rottensalty07>** Okay, I'll join there - I just need to head out for an hour or so. Will catch up with you there later on.
**\<ErCiccione>** i'm still making some tests with the different projects we use m2049r, but as soon as that is done we should try out that plugin we thought about
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Oy, another meeting.
**\<ErCiccione>** rottensalty07: perfect, thanks a lot. we can talk about this in -translations
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** ❤️ for rotten's comment
**\<cryptochangement>** endogenic: sure!
**\<ErCiccione>** rottensalty07: no problem, see you there :)
**\<m2049r[m]>** ErCiccione: sure!
**\<ErCiccione>** endogenic: we have to find some time to talk about the translations of mymonero
**\<sgp\_>** Anything else on this topic?
**\<msvb-lab>** Is rehrar here or is he not here?
**\<ErCiccione>** this week is a bit problematic for me since i'm travelling, but from next week i'll be around stable as always
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** I am here for a time.
**\<sgp\_>** b. PR, O&E workgroup
**\<msvb-lab>** rehrar: I see, switch to #monero so that we're not plugging the meeting channel.
**\<ErCiccione>** i'm done. if nobody have any other question we can go on sgp\_
**\<sgp\_>** xmrhaelan could not make it, but he asked me to share some updates:
**\<sgp\_>** 1) Nextcloud is up and we’re beginning to build documents to support the effort.
**\<sgp\_>** 2) Taiga tutorial is updated to reflect changes and has a link to the Telegram group.
**\<sgp\_>** 3) We’re now pushing content to Blockfolio’s 560,000 users who have XMR on their watch lists or portfolios
**\<sgp\_>** I can do my best to answer questions if people have them
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** what sort of content?
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal it is currently going to be limited to content that makes its way on the getmonero website iirc
**\<sgp\_>** We are still dscussing the best way to use the platform, who has access, etc
**\<sgp\_>** I recommend joining the Telegram and/or Wire groups if you are interested in participating in the conversation
**\<sgp\_>** Any other questions?
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** I think we all know about Telegram though....
**\<sgp\_>** c. Malware response workgroup
**\<sgp\_>** The malware response workgroup is still active, and we hope to have a portion of the getmonero site up soon.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** limiting content to getmonero creates project centralization. i won't get into that though because i already opened a meta issue. it's still good to see awareness being raised though.
**\<sgp\_>** I have written basic overview materials on in-broswer mining, system mining, and ransomware
**\<sgp\_>** We hope to incorporate a simple support system and reach out to other security influencers to help us write more specific, helpful guides
**\<sgp\_>** Any questions?
**\<m2049r[m]>** Url of your work?
**\<sgp\_>** Currently not on getmonero yet (though WIP). See Taiga for the basic text: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/sgp-monero-malware-response-workgroup/wiki/home
**\<sgp\_>** See all the pages that end in "help"
**\<m2049r[m]>** Thx
**\<sgp\_>** Do any other workgroups have a report?
**\<m2049r[m]>** Next step in monerujo is to add support for accounts.
**\<sgp\_>** thanks m2049r
**\<sgp\_>** 7. Meeting date/time discussion
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal asked that I open a discussion on possibly selecting a different meeting time.
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal since you're here, do you want to discuss this?
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** yes
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** hard to do on this mobile though. can you please talk about what we discussed?
**\<sgp\_>** Sure
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** ty
**\<CorkLander>** Hey all. (Slack integration = bad)
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal would like to see some more coordinated meeting schedules. He had an idea where we could make all the major meetings in a row
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** a block of time, single date, and potentially held in #monero-meetings
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** Interesting. I remember last time this was discussed people wanted it on a different day from the dev meetings because they didn't want to go to both meetings in a row
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** with more frequently needed meetings running at their own pace of course
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** when was this and who is they?
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal have you discussed this with the Monero development team?
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** To be fair, it was probably almost a year ago
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** no. we would work on top of their schedule anyway.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** I don't think this would be easily doable. Especially since some meetings might run long depending on the amount of stuff there is to discuss.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** hypothetically
**\<ErCiccione>** is #monero-meetings really necessary? why not just #monero-community anonimal? at the end this channel is usually not very busy
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Like this past Defcon meeting.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** I think it was mostly ArticMine who didn't want both on the same day
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** or same week
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** As well, we should not plan the other workgroup meetings around the dev meetings, I disagree.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** erciccione yes because meetings can go long and can spill over to community, rehrar
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** Yea I agree there would need to be buffer time in case of long running meetings
**\<ErCiccione>** got it
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** i said hypothetically work on top of their schedule, rehrar
**\<sgp\_>** hyc said nearly a year ago that "too many meetings in one day would kill me"
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** I am willing to give up a few hours scattered across various weekends. But not sure about a ton of hours every other week. Just me though.
**\<sgp\_>** https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroCommunity/wiki/82-2017-07-02
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** but is hyc attending all meetings sgp? i cant remember the last time i saw him in kovri or a kovri meeting
**\<sgp\_>** I don't have that info easily available
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** We are becoming just shells of our former selves.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** if anyone happens to be silently lurking then that doesn't count
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Can we have a hypothetical example of how this might look? :)
**\<sgp\_>** I am open to changing the day and time of these meetings, we just need to make sure that 1) someone can moderate them, and 2) a general high availability of people
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Sgp as this is open source and most people have day jobs, a weekend day will usually always be the best.
**\<sgp\_>** That's my suspicion, but I'm okay asking for comments again to assess general availability
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Maybe a poll then for general availability?
**\<ErCiccione>** the monero-hardware workgroup used a good system to decide dates of the meeting
**\<sgp\_>** can you elaborate ErCiccione?
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** rehrar you seem to be available whenever you say you're available so that makes you flexible
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** \*unavailable
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** :P
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** I'm eating atm. Then to the beach!
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Thought I'd check in while my burrito is being consumed.
**\<ErCiccione>** don't remember what website they used, but you just had to thick the hours more suitable for you (for the meeting), so that the time chosen was good for everyone. Sorry that wasn't really clear, going to check the emails
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** that's right, i forgot about that
**\<sgp\_>** We could do something like that to assess the best date/time
**\<ErCiccione>** sgp\_ it was doodle.com . the calendar feature
**\<sgp\_>** anonimal if you want to have all meetings on the same day, I suspect Saturday is the only option that *might* work
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** but that is equal to simply asking; albeit more organized
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** everyone seems to show up saturday too
**\<sgp\_>** I will also want to reach out to the other workgroup reps to see what days are best for them. Ultimately, we need these people to come so that the meeting has content
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** before we run out of time, thoughts on this current timeslot?
**\<ErCiccione>** anomimal: kinda, but you can select a timeframe there, not just a single hour. I think it would be very useful
**\<sgp\_>** I think this timeslot is relatively good for most people. We use 17:00 UTC for these meetings and 16:00 UTC for the Coffee Chats. If I could chose, I prefer 16:00 UTC
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** that sounds nice. sometimes hard and fast timeframes are more reliable though.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** re: erciccione ^
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** sgp you want earlier?!
**\<sgp\_>** It would make things easier for people out east
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** there's a west too
**\<sgp\_>** Yeah, it's hard to balance. See the difficulty of balancing time: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20180609T170000&p1=tz\_et&p2=28&p3=111&p4=49&p5=179&p6=70&p7=224&p8=48&p9=136
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** 18:00 won't kill them
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** spg\_: personally I prefer a little later at 17 UTC than 16 UTC
**\<sgp\_>** The world doesn't end at Europe. We also have Australia and Asia. Hard to balance
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** 15:00 will kill people who can only get 5 hours of sleep if they want to attend a volunteer meeting
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** who the hell here is honestly in those areas and who aren't lurking. be real now.
**\<sgp\_>** Anyway, I think we should open this up for consideration to see where most people are, especially the workgroup leads
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** Do we really have a lot of people from Asia?
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** russia yes but they aren't here.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** 16/17/18 UTC is already late af for them anyways
**\<sgp\_>** We likely do not have many people from Asia, but people from Australia have commented about the meeting time in the past
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** are they here now
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** speak up aussies or forever hold your peace
**\<sgp\_>** Well, part of that is self-selecting anonimal
**\<sgp\_>** If we select to have a meeting start at midnight their time, it's unlikely they will be in attendance
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** you need to prioritize sgp. you can't make everyone happy. the work doesn't work that way.
**\<sgp\_>** So for actionable items, I will create a poll in the next week using Doodle (or similar) to get community feedback for the best meeting times
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** hypothetical people get least priority.
**\<sgp\_>** Priority will be given to members who are highly active in workgroups
**\<serhack>** +1 for anonimal. Monero is being used by the entire world (I hope!), making everyone happy is almost impossible
**\<ErCiccione>** that sound reasonable
**\<sgp\_>** All right. We do not have time for "open ideas time" today, but people can always discuss after the meeting
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** i'll follow the workgroups' time decision.
**\<sgp\_>** 9. Confirm next meeting date/time
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** TBD?
**\<sgp\_>** The next community meeting will tentatively be two weeks from today on 23 June.
**\<sgp\_>** 10. Conclusion
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** Ok
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<cryptochangements>** Bye all
**\<sgp\_>** That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on /r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.
**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<anonimal>** thanks all
**\<serhack>** Bye!
**\<oneiric\_>** bye
**\<ErCiccione>** thank you all. thanks sgp\_ for moderating