--- layout: post title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2020-02-15 tags: [dev diaries, crypto] author: asymptotically / rehrar --- # Logs **\<rehrar\>** 0. Introduction **\<rehrar\>** Hello and welcome to the Community Workgroup Gameshow (CWG)! I'm your host, Diego Salazar, and we've got a great show planned for you all tonight. **\<rehrar\>** Let's meet our contestants. **\<rehrar\>** 1. Greetings **\<intj440\>** Hi **\<jwinterm\>** buen sabado todos **\<selsta\>** hi **\<i\_a\>** ahoy **\<rottensox\>** salutations. **\<nioc\>** i'm napping **\<rottensox\>** where's needmonero90. **\<rehrar\>** Got us a lively group, don't we? Let's see how they handle the challenges to come. **\<rehrar\>** 2. Community highlights \* needmonero90 sighs **\<ajs\>** i'll take geography for 500 rehrar **\<rehrar\>** All points go to Diego who writes the Revuo Monero which you can see at https://revuo-monero.com **\<rehrar\>** We also released the July 1, 2019 - December 31, 2019 periodical **\<rehrar\>** Does anyone have anything in particular they want to highlight about this past couple of weeks? **\<needmonero90\>** price go up **\<jwinterm\>** cake wallet has been doing a nice job of getting people with breasts to post images of themselves wearing cake wallet t-shirts on tweeter **\<rottensox\>** lol. **\<jwinterm\>** other than that I got nothing **\<rehrar\>** ...when in the land of the nerds **\<endogenic\>** i've been working on something very exciting **\<endogenic\>** i'm only going to tell rehrar about it **\<rehrar\>** endogenic: want to share? **\<rottensox\>** boo! **\<endogenic\>** because i'm only friends with him **\<rottensox\>** double boo! **\<dandums\>** 43770 **\<rehrar\>** ooooh, bonus points for endogenic **\<endogenic\>** yessss **\<rehrar\>** 3. CCS updates **\<endogenic\>** haha i'll share real soon rottensox **\<rehrar\>** We got a few things in funding. Fund Xiphon plz **\<rehrar\>** Xiphon is the bees knees and does great work. selsta will now give a short speech/poem about Xiphon's contributions. **\<endogenic\>** been hanging with some crytocurrency groups in SF as well. we may see some movement **\<selsta\>** he is doing important GUI work :P **\<rehrar\>** clap clap **\<selsta\>** like improving stability, speed, etc. **\<rehrar\>** truly a man with a mastery of words. Thank you selsta. **\<selsta\>** sorry Iām currently eating :P **\<rottensox\>** lol. **\<rehrar\>** vtnerd? sarang? suraeNoether? anybody here with a report on CCS activities? **\<sarang\>** More math, more data, more fun **\<sarang\>** Using chain data to get better comparisons of next-gen tx protocols, etc. **\<rehrar\>** Sarang Noether, ladies and gentlemen **\<endogenic\>** i like sarang **\<sarang\>** Aw shucks **\<sarang\>** A few other assorted code updates, and so on **\<rehrar\>** thank you. Any other CCS updates? **\<endogenic\>** in other news mymonero continues not to ask the community for money **\<endogenic\>** š **\<rehrar\>** 4. Workgroup reports **\<rehrar\>** 4a. Daemon/CLI scrubs **\<rehrar\>** anyone here from them that can say what you've been up to? merged things? pr'd things? **\<rehrar\>** 4b. Localization **\<rehrar\>** ErCiccione[m]? you around? **\<rehrar\>** lol. Zero points for everyone. **\<rehrar\>** I do know they now have Weblate working with the website, so translate.getmonero.org for that stuffs **\<rehrar\>** c. GUI workgroup **\<rehrar\>** selsta: what's the word? **\<selsta\>** see https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pulls?utf8=ā&q=is%3Apr for recent activity **\<rehrar\>** what an informative meeting this is so far **\<rottensox\>** lol. **\<endogenic\>** dont mean to jump in but have to run. check out my upcoming monerotalk interview - i made some technical announcements **\<rehrar\>** aight cya **\<selsta\>** when is it coming out **\<endogenic\>** like stuff we've been workin on a long time **\<selsta\>** the interview **\<endogenic\>** ah i dunno. it was about a week aho **\<endogenic\>** ago **\<selsta\>** ok so soon :P **\<endogenic\>** y'all remember when adding wallets to an app took 6 mos? **\<endogenic\>** like jaxx? haha **\<endogenic\>** well that's 1 day now **\<endogenic\>** tbh i actually already open sourced some stuff quietly **\<endogenic\>** but this is not the really exciting upcomign thing **\<endogenic\>** time to go tell diego in private **\<endogenic\>** haha **\<selsta\>** are you going to announce it in the interview? **\<selsta\>** or still secret :P **\<rehrar\>** 4d. Outreach workgroup **\<rehrar\>** I don't think any of them piped up either **\<needmonero90\>** :( **\<rehrar\>** Thunderosa, xmrhaelan? **\<rehrar\>** e. Monero Research Lab **\<endogenic\>** selsta heya it's not announced in the interview no **\<rehrar\>** sarang kinda already did it. **\<sarang\>** :) **\<rehrar\>** I jumped the gun. We blazing through this meeting. **\<rehrar\>** let's get us all home **\<rehrar\>** f. Website workgroup **\<rehrar\>** ErCiccione[m]: isn't here so we can skip this one too **\<rehrar\>** woot. The best kinds of meetings. **\<needmonero90\>** efficient meeting **\<shillo\>** I have nothing useful to add besides mentioning that rehrar is doing a great job running this meeting even though people are slow to respond. If he waits long enough I'm sure everything will be covered in due time **\<rehrar\>** 5. Open ideas time **\<rehrar\>** 5a. Moneroversary. **\<rehrar\>** We doing anything? Party? Who's bringing the beer? **\<endogenic\>** i'ma chat w sgp about a ton of ideas i have for that **\<rehrar\>** perfect. in fact, let's take all discussion offline for efficiency sake **\<rehrar\>** next meeting will be held over PMs **\<endogenic\>** hahaha **\<endogenic\>** it's a private meeting **\<rehrar\>** Any of you bozos have any ideas for open ideas time? **\<rehrar\>** I have something if nobody else does. **\<endogenic\>** you go first **\<rehrar\>** There was some discussion and a twitter thread about some individuals wishing Defcon villages would go back to their roots of being more hands-on rather than talk focused. **\<rehrar\>** Now Defcon is still a ways away, but if they have us back again, I'd like to see our village go in that direction. **\<rehrar\>** Less talks. WAAAAY less talks. In fact, most of the talks can be the same talk given multiple times a day for people that can't make other times. "What is Monero?" given by different people or whatever. **\<rehrar\>** More workshops. How to use the wallet. How to secure your seed. How to use a hardware wallet. **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Can we allocate some time to discuss the addition of 'Reasonably' on the website? **\<rehrar\>** dEBRUYNE: sure **\<rottensox\>** how to lose your private key in a boating accident. **\<rehrar\>** That's basically it from me. More discussions will develop in #monero-defcon when it's time, I think. **\<rehrar\>** dEBRUYNE: take it away **\<rehrar\>** lol, ok shall I start the discussion then? **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Sorry, didn't see the ping **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Anyway, I think, similar to the guy that posted on reddit, that we shouldn't add an adjective on the website, regardless of which it is **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Simply 'private' is sufficient. In my opinion, it does not provide a privacy guarantee **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Furthermore, we can add a disclaimer link that provides elaboration **\<dEBRUYNE\>** The optics of 'reasonably' are quite bad in my opinion and it leaves a lot of new people guessing what it might entail **\<intj440\>** +1 **\<nioc\>** dEBRUYNE: agree **\<rehrar\>** We can also remove the "A" and just end up with "Private Digital Currency" **\<rehrar\>** which, surprise is what was there to begin with :D **\<jwinterm\>** a somewhat private with several important caveats that users should be aware of digital currency **\<jwinterm\>** has a nice ring to it **\<rehrar\>** any other opinions? differing or otherwise? **\<rottensox\>** jwinterm: tl;dr. **\<dEBRUYNE\>** What would be the point of removing 'A' rehrar? **\<rottensox\>** private digital currency is simple and effective. don't look for the 5th leg in the cat. **\<dEBRUYNE\>** Or is my sarcasm detector broken here :p **\<rehrar\>** not sarcasm, what's the point of keeping it? **\<jwinterm\>** 'A' is extraneous **\<shillo\>** I'd remove the "A" **\<rehrar\>** it's implied, yes **\<rehrar\>** unless..... **\<rehrar\>** if we want an article **\<jwinterm\>** I agree an article is unnecessary **\<rehrar\>** THE private digital currency **\<jwinterm\>** unless you use 'The' **\<rehrar\>** ^ **\<jwinterm\>** rehrar and I are actually the same person **\<rottensox\>** impossible. **\<rehrar\>** if jwinterm does squats, then it's literally true **\<jwinterm\>** nah I'm fat and lazy **\<rehrar\>** alright, so the present group is pretty much in agreement to remove "reasonably" **\<rehrar\>** any other points of discussion or ideas? **\<rehrar\>** if not, next meeting 29th. Same time.j **\<SerHack\>** Yes, rehrar! I've submitted my third CCS for Monero integrations **\<SerHack\>** https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge\_requests/125 **\<sarang\>** Phrasings like "private" and "untraceable" are not useful without a lot of context **\<rehrar\>** ah, cool, go comment on that then everyone **\<rehrar\>** remove private leaves "Digital Currency" **\<SerHack\>** There you may find all the information about my CCS. If you have any question, or any additional feature request, please leave a comment! **\<dEBRUYNE\>** sarang: Hence my suggestion to add a direct link to a disclaimer page **\<rehrar\>** Like some people say, probably better for it to be a link that takes to qualifications **\<rehrar\>** ye **\<sarang\>** It's not just the tagline... the homepage also says matter-of-fact phrasings like "Monero is private" and "Monero is untraceable" **\<sarang\>** There's nuance and use cases etc. that affect those things **\<rehrar\>** every word should be a link to a disclaimer **\<rehrar\>** although I think we should move untraceable **\<shillo\>** just hire a lawyer to decide how it should be phrased **\<rehrar\>** I honestly think at some point we need to do a deep rethink of Monero's branding **\<rehrar\>** I'm sure there's a good, snappy way to convey the message of Monero without a. overhyping us, b. underselling what makes us great **\<rehrar\>** but it needs work, and a couple of tweaks isn't going to do it **\<nioc\>** shillo: lol **\<wampum\>** womanero **\<rehrar\>** alright, meeting adjourned